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The Minister and The Crackerhead: Round 3

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The Minister: “You know, I can hear you talking, but there are times when I don’t have a clue about what you are really saying.”

The Crackerhead: “Hence, the reality of speaking in tongues
[Mark 16:17].”

The Minister: “Have you been speaking Greek?”

The Crackerhead: “No.”

The Minister: “An obscure Sumerian dialect—perhaps?”

The Crackerhead: “Hardly.”

The Minister: “But I thought speaking in tongues involved a miraculous ability to speak in an unknown language?”

The Crackerhead: “It can
[Acts 2:7-11], but it actually has much more to do with what you have been hearing than anything else [John 8:43].”

The Minister: “Just a bunch of foolish jibber-jabber—huh?”

The Crackerhead: This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.  The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned
[1 Corinthians 2:13-14 NIV].”

The Minister: “Was I just insulted?”

The Crackerhead: “It was not meant to be as such.”

The Minister: “It sure sounded like an insult!”

The Crackerhead: “Only if you are refusing to accept what you have been allowed and enabled to
[Isaiah 42:20].”

The Minister: “There you go again.”

The Crackerhead: “To put it more simply, knowledge and understanding are not really the result of personal intelligence, level of education, nor even hours of diligent study.  For it all depends upon what our Heavenly Father wants to accomplish in and through someone that determines when, and to what extent, they are allowed and enabled to come into the knowledge and understanding of His absolute truth
[1 Corinthians 12:7-11].”

The Minister: “Oh yeah, that cleared it right up.”

The Crackerhead: “In other words, our Heavenly Father is in full control of what we can know and understand about things, and this includes what is of the physical (or natural) realm, as well as what is of the spiritual realm.”

The Minister: “OUTRAGEOUS!!!  Absolutely outrageous.”

The Crackerhead: “How can this be?  For if our Creator truly is all-powerful, how could He not have everything to do with what we come to know and understand about Himself, and what He has done, is doing, and will do forevermore?”

The Minister: “No, there has to be more to it than that.”

The Crackerhead: “Perhaps it would be helpful to hear the entire passage.  For it is written: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.  We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.  No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.  None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.  However, as it is written: ‘No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him’—but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.  The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.  For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?  In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.  We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.  This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.  The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they spiritually discerned.  The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: ‘For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?’  But we have the mind of Christ
[1 Corinthians 2:4-16 NIV].

The Minister: “Are you saying that it is a waste of time to go to school?”

The Crackerhead: “No, not at all.  For our educational systems are also a work of His hand, but it should not be thought that a high level of education—whether it be from a formal process or self-teaching, is absolutely necessary for a high level of knowledge and understanding about things
[Psalms 8:2].  Take the Apostle Peter and the Apostle John for example.  For it is written: Now as they observed the confidence of Peter and John, and understood that they were uneducated and untrained men, they were marveling, and begun to recognize them as having been with Jesus [Acts 4:13 NAS].

The Minister: “Surely diligent study of the Bible is a necessity?”

The Crackerhead: “Familiarity with the contents of our Heavenly Father’s Holy Bible would be most helpful.  For His Holy Scriptures were given to serve as written confirmation of what He wants to personally reveal to each and every one of us
[Romans 15:4].  Nonetheless, our Heavenly Father’s Holy Bible should not be thought of as a book of instruction—certainly not in the same way as a school textbook on science, mathematics, nor even history normally would be.  For it is truly a book full of spiritual truths that only the spiritually-minded can correctly discern [Luke 24:45].”

The Minister: “HERETIC!!!  For it is written: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
[2 Timothy 3:14-17 KJV].

The Crackerhead: “Yes, that was a good point—certainly not one that I would dispute.  For the absolute truth of the matter truly is that our Heavenly Father’s Holy Scriptures really are good for all of those things, but here is a counter-point that should make it clear that His Holy Bible is really just a book without the help of His Holy Spirit.  For it is also written: “And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me.  You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.  You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life.  These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.  I do not accept praise from men, but I know you.  I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.  I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.  How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?  But do not think I will accuse you before the Father.  Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.  If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.  But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?
[John 5:37-47 NIV].”

The Minister: “BLASPHEMER!!!”

The Crackerhead: “Surely you know and understand that the previous passage was of and about my own personal Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ—certainly not about me?”

The Minister: “All I know is that faith comes from hearing the Bible being preached.”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, that is something that has been widely taught.  It is based upon Romans 10:17, which is as it is written in the King James 1611 Authorized Version: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God
[Romans 10:17 KJV].  For many have been led to believe that the Word of God is His Holy Bible.  Therein lies the confusion.  For the true Word of God is actually the Lord Jesus Christ [Revelation 19:11-16]—not the book that He had written about Himself and the righteousness of all of His most awesome ways [Luke 24:44].  Therefore, instead of it being that faith comes from hearing the Bible being preached, the true meaning of Romans 10:17 is that faith comes from hearing, and hearing comes from the work of the Lord Jesus Christ—albeit in the form of His Holy Spirit.”

The Minister: “Haven’t you left something out?”

The Crackerhead: “The part about how can someone hear without a preacher
[Romans 10:13-15]?”

The Minister: “That would be it.”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, that is something that needs to be addressed.  For many have been led to believe that it is the responsibility of the Christian community to lead souls unto Christ
[2 Peter 2:1-3], which is a perversion of what is commonly called The Great Commission [Matthew 28:18-20].  Some even go so far as to believe that it is their duty to actually win souls for Him [Proverbs 11:30], and in all fairness, it is indeed true that our Heavenly Father’s children by faith are called upon to testify about Him and the righteousness of all of His most awesome ways to the extent that they have been allowed and enabled to [John 15:26-27].  Nonetheless, let it be widely known and clearly understood that it is really the sole responsibility of our Heavenly Father’s Holy Spirit to seek and to save [Luke 19:10] the lost and confused [John 16:8-13].  For who can truly save themselves [Job 40:14]—let alone anyone else [Psalms 49:7]?”

The Minister: “What about what you said about turning a sinner from the error of their ways and saving them from a multitude of sins?”

The Crackerhead: “That goes along with what was just said about our Heavenly Father’s children by faith being called to testify about Him and the righteousness of all of His most awesome ways.  Furthermore, they are also called to do other great and wonderful things
[John 14:10-12]—just not in their own strength.  For the absolute truth of the matter truly is that it is our Heavenly Father who is at work in and through them [Philippians 2:13], and this applies to us all [Ephesians 2:10].”

The Minister: “All of us?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, all of us
[Isaiah 64:8].”

The Minister: “The good, the bad, and the ugly?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, that applies to each and every one of us—be assured.  For our Heavenly Father is well pleased to do His work through those who appear to be unworthy
[Judges 6:14-15], and through even those who are reluctant to accept their place in His plan.  After all, does He not refer unto King Nebuchadnezzar as His servant [Jeremiah 25:8-9], and yet, does not the king greatly desire to take full credit for the glory of his kingdom later on [Daniel 4:30-31]?”

The Minister: “There still has to be more to it than that.”

The Crackerhead: “Why?  For it is not like our Heavenly Father needs any of us to do anything for Him
[Acts 17:24-25].”

The Minister: “What about proving ourselves worthy?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, that is another thing that needs to be addressed.  For it has been widely taught that it is expected of us to prove ourselves as being worthy of our Heavenly Father’s favor, and in all fairness, there are passages in His Holy Bible that seem to support such a doctrine.  Take 2 Timothy 2:20-21 for example: In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble.  If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work
[2 Timothy 20-21 NIV].  Nonetheless, a close examination of just who our Heavenly Father truly is should make it rather easy to see that whatever someone may have to prove [Matthew 13:49-50] has more to do with providing proof of what our Heavenly Father has done, and is doing, in and through them [2 Corinthians 9:13-15] to a world deeply steeped in the darkness of spiritual ignorance [Matthew 5:14-16] than it does with putting whatever small part they may have had to actually play in the process on display [1 Corinthians 4:7].  After all, is He not the potter, and are we not the clay [Jeremiah 18:5-6]?”  Besides, how is it possible to prove anything to the One who already knows everything that there will be to ever know about everyone—anyway [Jeremiah 1:5]?”

The Minister: “But there is at least something to prove to others—right?”

The Crackerhead: “Be assured that pride leads unto destruction
[Proverbs 16:18].”

The Minister: “What is that supposed to mean?”

The Crackerhead: “That it would do us all well not to want to think more highly of ourselves than we should
[Proverbs 16:25].  For there is nothing good about us apart from our Heavenly Father [Psalms 16:2].”

The Minister: “Perhaps, but I just can’t accept that we are really nothing more than merely puppets on His string.”

The Crackerhead: “Nor should you.  For we do have a certain amount of freewill
[Isaiah 48:17-19].  For it would not fulfill our Heavenly Father’s purposes to deny us the freedom to choose.  It is, however, extremely limited [Proverbs 16:33].  In fact, it is only in regards to the choice that we are given to make about whether or not we want to accept our Creator as truly being our Heavenly Father that we can be confident of there not being any divine intervention involved—certainly not to the extent that there could be [Joshua 24:15].”

The Minister: “I thought the choice that we have to make involves the acceptance of Jesus Christ as truly being our own personal Lord and Savior?”

The Crackerhead: “It is.  For no one can accept the Son without accepting the Father
[John 6:44-45].  Neither can anyone accept the Father without accepting the Son [John 14:6].  Furthermore, all of this also applies to His Holy Spirit [John 14:15-16]—be assured.”

The Minister: “Disturbing, most disturbing.”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, there is much about what I have been given to say that many will find most disturbing—especially amongst the more devoutly religious, but be assured that no one is without recourse.”

The Minister: “How so?”

The Crackerhead: Thus says the Lord who made the earth, the Lord who formed it to establish it, the Lord is His name, Call to Me, and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know
[Jeremiah 33:2-3 NAS].

The Minister: “That was then.  This is now.”

The Crackerhead: “If it is indeed true that our Heavenly Father does not change
[Malachi 3:6], how could He not still do things like He always has [Isaiah 48:3]?”

The Minister: “Seen any burning bushes lately
[Exodus 3:1-6]?”

The Crackerhead: “No, but I have heard His audible voice on a number of occasions over the years
[Hebrews 3:7-8].”

The Minister: “His audible voice?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, just like I am hearing your voice
[2 Peter 2:15-16].”

The Minister: “And whose voice was it?”

The Crackerhead: “Our Heavenly Father’s.”

The Minister: “Are you sure it wasn’t an angel?”

The Crackerhead: “It wouldn’t matter even if it was an angel.  For they would only speak what He had given them to say
[Hebrews 1:14].”

The Minister: “Then is it a waste of time to pray to angels?”

The Crackerhead: “Be assured that it is something far worse—especially when worship is involved.  For it is written: Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind
[Colossians 2:18 NAS].”

The Minister: “And that was in no way a description of yourself—was it?”

The Crackerhead: “Not even close.”

The Minister: “Well, it’s a good thing He hasn’t told you to kill anyone yet.  He hasn’t—has He?”

The Crackerhead: “No, and I do not expect that He ever will.  For what He has given me to say is meant to help clear up much of the confusion that now exists concerning Him and the righteousness of all of His most awesome ways in order to make it easier for as many as will to want to accept Him as truly being their own Heavenly Father.”

The Minister: “You’re serious—aren’t you?”

The Crackerhead: “Very much so.”

The Minister: “You’ve actually heard a voice coming out of cloud?”

The Crackerhead: “Much, much closer
[Isaiah 30:21].”

The Minister: “What was said?”

The Crackerhead: “On the first occasion, He said, ‘Introduce Me.’”

The Minister: “What else?”

The Crackerhead: “That was it for that time, and it has been mostly just calling me by name
[1 Samuel 3:4-10] since.”

The Minister: “Over and over again?”

The Crackerhead: “I have had many doubts.”

The Minister: “You?”

The Crackerhead: “Oh yes, there have been times when I have been quite unfaithful.  In fact, I have spent most of my born-again life feeling more like a spiritual crash-test dummy than any sort of a conquering hero of the faith.”

The Minister: “And yet, the Lord God Almighty still speaks to you.”

The Crackerhead: His mercy endureth forever
[Psalms 136:1].

The Minister: “And from that you have come up with all of this stuff?”

The Crackerhead: “No, some of it has also come from visions that occurred while I was asleep
[Job 33:15], but the vast majority of it has come to me through my thoughts [Romans 8:16].”

The Minister: “Through your thoughts?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, it has been the same for me as it has been for everyone else
[Job 33:16-18].”

The Minister: “What?”

The Crackerhead: “Have you ever wondered where certain thoughts may have come from?”

The Minister: “Well, yes, but I would never think that they could have come from anywhere other than the inner recesses of my mind.”

The Crackerhead: “Tragically, you are very much not alone in that.  In fact, very few ever give it more than a second thought—let alone take the time to actually consider the possibility that there is more going on than mere serendipity whenever a certain thought may catch their attention
[Isaiah 65:1-2].  Hence, one of the things that I am called to help with.”

The Minister: “God still speaks to us?”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, and it includes more than just what we would naturally consider to be strictly spiritual matters
[Job 33:14].”

The Minister: “No, I don’t even want to go there.”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, it would do us all well not to take too much for granted.  For the devil and his demons are also allowed and enabled to whisper sweet nothings in our ears
[1 John 4:1], but aside from that, be assured that it is entirely possible to have a discussion with our Heavenly Father about something as trivial as what to fix for dinner.”

The Minister: “A discussion?”

The Crackerhead: “To a certain extent.”

The Minister: “Doesn’t He have better things to do?”

The Crackerhead: “No, not really.  For we are of the utmost importance to Him.”

The Minister: “Surely He is quite selective?”

The Crackerhead: “That He is.  In fact, our Heavenly Father only seeks to communicate with those from amongst us whom He loves.”

The Minister: “And I suppose that they would be us all?”

The Crackerhead: “Hey, you are starting to catch on.”

The Minister: “What’s next—seizures?”

The Crackerhead: “No, I do not believe that it would ever get that violent, but if you experience anything like I have, you can expect to tremble—as if sorely afraid
[Isaiah 66:5].”

The Minister: “What are you talking about?”

The Crackerhead: “Truly being in the fear of the Lord
[Proverbs 1:7].”

The Minister: “Isn’t that about having a healthy fear of God’s wrath?”

The Crackerhead: “Alas, that is what has been so widely taught, and in all fairness, there is a semblance of wisdom to it.  For it would do us all well not to take our Heavenly Father’s grace for granted
[1 Corinthians 10:9], but the absolute truth of the matter truly is something to behold.  For it involves being made acutely aware of just how so very near our Heavenly Father truly is to us all [Acts 17:27], and there have been times when I have actually felt Him holding me in His arms.”

The Minister: “Maybe it would do you well to start being actually afraid of Him after saying such silly things?”

The Crackerhead: There is no fear in love; because perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love
[1 John 4:18 NAS].”

The Minister: “Man, talk about having an active imagination.”

The Crackerhead: “Yes, I can certainly appreciate your reluctance.  For I would have a lot of trouble with these things if I had of not experienced them myself, but be assured that they are very real—certainly not imagined.”

The Minister: “No, I’m not buying it.”

The Crackerhead: “I hope you will change your mind before it is too late.”

The Minister: “I think it is already too late for you.”

The Crackerhead: “Remember how you were questioning what others were really thinking about me and what I have been given to say before?”

The Minister: “I need another break.”

The Crackerhead: “As you wish.”

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  1. Rob

    You know, again, that Minister voice seems more like one of an angry skeptic and less like one of a compassionate minister, but I'm still enjoying the dialog anyway.

    We've talked before about hearing God's voice, and this remains a difficult topic for me, because of the issue of discernment: knowing if its God's voice... or the voice of some other spiritual voice. The other side also is, how far do you go with obeying the voice if it gives commands, when you aren't necessarily sure of the source.

    Now I'm sure there's someone snide out there who would pose the question like, "If you are talking to God, why don't you just ask for the winning lottery numbers?" How would you reply if someone posed that to you?

  1. FishHawk

    Quite sadly, the minister here is really very typical when it comes to questioning things that they are fairly comfortable with not having the answers to, and this applies to more than just the ordained leaders in the Christian community. A good example of this occurred just the other day. For a reasonably devout Christian sought to correct my grammar on AsTheCrackerheadCrumbles, and it really upset me at first. When the person apologized for maybe not approaching it right, I apologized to them. For they were right about the thing, and I then explained that this is a real sore spot for me. For I have not been all that shy about proclaiming that what I have been given to say, including much of what is contained on the other blog, is directly from our Heavenly Father, which should peak the interest of any Christian. For if it is indeed true, then it should be something that they would want to know as much about as possible, and if it is not true, then I am surely headed straight for Hell unless I repent of my falsehoods. Instead, the way I have been saying things has been focused upon a whole lot more than what is being said--despite it still being understandable, even with the occasional stumbles with poor grammar. What did I hear back from them after I pointed this out? Nothing. Not a single word, which is even worse to me than hearing the kinds of things that the minister in this book says. For at least he is being engaging, which provides an opportunity to say more of what I have been given to say.

    As in regards to hearing our Heavenly Father's voice, another way of looking at it was given to me a couple of weeks or so ago. I will be posting a piece about it later on, but for the most part, it has to do with not seeing the forest for the trees. For He has been talking to us since we have been in the womb, and since it is so familiar, it is easy to just assume that what we hear in our heads is just our own thoughts. A recent example of this occurred yesterday to my wife, and it had nothing to do with "religious/spiritual matters." For our digital television has been acting up lately, and we were afraid that it might be starting to go out again. For the picture would be real grainy--kinda like trying to watch a station that is putting out a weak signal, which is not possible with us being on cable and all of the channels looking the same way. Finally, it "came" to my wife that the problem was with us leaving the VCR on when we were not watching something that we had taped years ago, and as soon as she turned it off, the television picture cleared right up. Yeah, I may very well be quite mad to want to think that this "came" to my wife from the Lord God Almighty Himself. After all, He would surely have better things to do than help us with our entertainment enjoyment, but since He has impressed upon me that He is interested in every aspect of our daily lives, why wouldn't He help us with something so simple that would have nothing to do with anything but prove once again that He really is there--especially to someone like my wife, who has not been drawn as close to Him as I have?

  1. Rob

    Hey Jerry, I had to reread this one, because I was thinking about some of these comments, and might need a little more clarification. You talk of the "perversion of what is commonly called The Great Commission", and how "some even go so far as to believe that it is their duty to actually win souls for Him." I am a little curious to hear, then, what about those who dedicate themselves to be missionaries to foreign countries? Are they incorrectly applying the teaching of the great commission in this situation? I didn't quite follow that from the original post (unless I missed it) so what then about those who minister to other countries?

  1. FishHawk

    It all depends upon the intent of the mission, my dear Rob. For there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone going somewhere to help serve others in the name of Christ. In fact, that is what "The Great Commission" is really all about, as in regards to helping others to actually see what our Heavenly Father is doing in and through His children by faith, but to think that they are called to seek and to save the lost and confused is, in effect, to deny that this is actually His job--through the work of His Holy Spirit {John 16:8-11}. In other words, the way it is being done in far too many cases is to take it too far, which is consistent with what has been so widely taught about the church being established to finish the work that Christ Jesus began on the cross in His absence. No, this is not to deny that we have any role to play in the process, but in any event, it is only to help reinforce what He Himself is already doing--be assured {John 15:26-27}. The same thing applies to what I have been given to say. For I am called to shout it from the rooftops, but unless our Heavenly Father has given someone ears to hear it, no one will. Moreover, no one will understand it unless His Holy Spirit has allowed and enabled them to {1 Corinthians 2:14}. Therefore, who could actually be doing the saving--me or Him? Thanks for stopping by again!!!